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What does it mean by to have abnormal reflexes at patella and Achilles in a 37-year-old male?

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Patient's Query

Hello doctor,

Thank you very much for your time. I am a 37-year-old male who is looking for clarification related to a recent neurology workup I received. I own a business in the medical field, so I have a lot of contacts locally, one being at a neurology institute. I made an appointment with a very experienced neurologist when I began feeling intermittent vibrating or a buzzing in my left calf. It was like a cell phone was going off. There were no other symptoms other than that. During my neurological exam, it was noted that everything was normal with the exception of two areas in my legs. I was hyper-reflexive at the patella and the Achilles, and the Achilles actually elicited some beats of clonus. All other reflexes were normal. The calf buzzing has for the most part gone away. Naturally, these reflex findings threw me into a frenzy even though the neurologist stated this was nothing more than a mechanical issue stemming from my cervical spine. Cervical and thoracic MRIs (magnetic resonance imaging) were conducted, as well as an SSEP (somatosensory evoked potential), blood tests, EMG (electromyography), and nerve velocity conduction test. All came back normal with the exception of a finding at C5/C6 of mild spinal stenosis and posterior disc bulging with herniation "in the midline", which is more eccentric to the right. My neurologist gave zero options of even discussing anything else that could be causing the abnormal reflex responses. He stated that we will rescan the area in one year and watch for any further progression. I take vitamin D, K supplements, and tablet Xanax as needed for anxiety.

My questions are two-fold given in the following:

1) With this information, can I rest assured that these two findings are being caused by my mild cord encroachment?

2) Are these types of abnormal reflexes ever a primary manifestation of an MND (motor neuron disease) previous to any signs of weakness or atrophy? I have not been able to find such data anywhere that will answer this question. I assume not because there is already an abnormality present in the reflex arc, so certainly if another condition were present, it would have been picked up elsewhere.

Thank you.

Answered by Dr. Ashok Kumar Choudhary

Education:

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Dr. Ashok Kumar Choudhary is a skilled Psychiatrist specializing in andrology, geriatrics, sexology, and general psychiatric care. He focuses on diagnosing and managing mental health conditions, sexual health issues, and age-related psychological concerns. With a compassionate and patient-centered approach, Dr. Choudhary provides personalized care aimed at improving mental well-being, quality of life, and overall health.

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Hello,

Welcome to icliniq.com.

I read your query and understand your concern.

First of all, I endorse the opinion of your neurologist as the vibration feeling the left leg and stenosis and bulging of the disc observed on thoracic and cervical MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) have no relation. The calf muscles are supplied by a very different area than the abnormality observed at C5/C6 and both things could not be related. Rather than stating this manifestation of cord encroachment I feel we need to look for simple causes and the most simple is not everything is related to disease. Regarding your second question, I will state the following general statement. For a 37 year young male with no weakness, no evidence of upper motor or lower motor lesion, with no positive family history possibility of MND (motor neuron disease) amyotrophic lateral sclerosis is ruled out. Yes, it is true that fascinations do occur in muscles but they are almost never present in the absence of weakness. The presence of normal strength again points out that there is almost nil possibility of MND. In my opinion, the presence of normal nerve conduction along with all negative tests in an experienced neurologist's hand is the best assurance and there is a need to set off your worries about it.I hope this answers your concerns.

If you have more questions feel free to write back to me.

Thank you.

Patient's Query

Hello doctor,

Thank you for the reply.

My second question was more in relation to the hyperreflexia of the patella and Achilles. With the MRI findings at C5/C6, would mild stenosis and a midline disc herniation be the certain cause for this? Also, is hyperreflexia of this type ever a primary manifestation of a motor or CNS (central nervous system) disease process, or do these responses always appear secondary after weakness or atrophy, or disease progression?

Thank you.

Answered by Dr. Ashok Kumar Choudhary

Education:

MBBS

Professional Bio:

Dr. Ashok Kumar Choudhary is a skilled Psychiatrist specializing in andrology, geriatrics, sexology, and general psychiatric care. He focuses on diagnosing and managing mental health conditions, sexual health issues, and age-related psychological concerns. With a compassionate and patient-centered approach, Dr. Choudhary provides personalized care aimed at improving mental well-being, quality of life, and overall health.

This doctor is not available for online consultations on the platform anymore.

Hello,

Welcome back to icliniq.com.

I am sorry to know that my answer was not clear to you. At this time rather than presenting facts I am answering in a direct format.

Q.1. With the MRI findings at C5/C6, would mild stenosis and a midline disc herniation be the certain cause for this?

Ans. No, despite finding the abnormality, we could not be certain that this is the cause of hyperreflexia. However, practically speaking with my experience I would say that mild stenosis could be the cause. I also like to state that it should be ignored rather than given too much importance.

Q.2. Also, is hyperreflexia of this type ever a primary manifestation of a motor or CNS disease process or do these responses always appear secondary after weakness/atrophy or disease progression?

Ans. In my experience, I have never seen the primary manifestation of the motor neuron disease process. It is just a secondary manifestation. I also like to add that following your questions I double-checked my texts and journals related to the manifestation and found the reassuring answer for you.

I hope this helps you further.

If you have more questions feel free to write back to me.

Thanks and regards.

Patient's Query

Hello doctor,

Thank you for the reply.

One last thing I want to ask. A very basic layman's question relating to your answer. To clarify, if one has hyperreflexia in both lower limbs, that will always be caused by a condition currently presenting in the body as stenosis, thyroid, muscle spasms, etc. It will never be a primary presentation that will then evolve into a systemic disorder. Please confirm if this is accurate.

Thank you.

Answered by Dr. Ashok Kumar Choudhary

Education:

MBBS

Professional Bio:

Dr. Ashok Kumar Choudhary is a skilled Psychiatrist specializing in andrology, geriatrics, sexology, and general psychiatric care. He focuses on diagnosing and managing mental health conditions, sexual health issues, and age-related psychological concerns. With a compassionate and patient-centered approach, Dr. Choudhary provides personalized care aimed at improving mental well-being, quality of life, and overall health.

This doctor is not available for online consultations on the platform anymore.

Hello,

Welcome back to icliniq.com.

If you ask me the answer in a single word I would say "no". In medicine a word is an exception rather than a rule. I mean to say that there is nothing called a presentation. However, most bilateral presentations have some basis in the body which may be physiological (normal) or pathological (abnormal).

I hope this answers you.

Thanks and regards.

Medically reviewed by iCliniq medical review team
Published At September 9, 2023
Reviewed At September 9, 2023

Education:

MBBS

Professional Bio:

Dr. Ashok Kumar Choudhary is a skilled Psychiatrist specializing in andrology, geriatrics, sexology, and general psychiatric care. He focuses on diagnosing and managing mental health conditions, sexual health issues, and age-related psychological concerns. With a compassionate and patient-centered approach, Dr. Choudhary provides personalized care aimed at improving mental well-being, quality of life, and overall health.

This doctor is not available for online consultations on the platform anymore.

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Education:

MBBS

Professional Bio:

Dr. Ashok Kumar Choudhary is a skilled Psychiatrist specializing in andrology, geriatrics, sexology, and general psychiatric care. He focuses on diagnosing and managing mental health conditions, sexual health issues, and age-related psychological concerns. With a compassionate and patient-centered approach, Dr. Choudhary provides personalized care aimed at improving mental well-being, quality of life, and overall health.

This doctor is not available for online consultations on the platform anymore.

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