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Why was my mother advised for a plasma treatment after kidney dialysis?

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Published At March 31, 2022
Reviewed AtNovember 28, 2022

Patient's Query

Hi doctor,

My mother is admitted to the hospital and is being treated for granulomatosis with polyangiitis. Now, it is the second week after the doctor gave her a course of steroids for the first three days. They gave two kidney dialysis before her kidney biopsy, of which the result came back with 20 % damage and the remaining 80 % recoverable by taking Cyclophosphamide for several months. She was also given an injection once every two weeks to help her vasculitis. The reason for me to write is to get some extra advice. The doctors also started a plasma exchange (a course of five) to aid the effect of the lung. As she had to cough up now and then (once to three times a day), some black spots grew on her tongue. I am concerned that they gave her kidney dialysis after her second plasma treatment. Is there any problem? Kindly help.

Answered by Dr. Rajesh Gulati

Hi,

Welcome to icliniq.com.

I understand your concern. Your mother is already getting the best treatment. You need not worry as plasma exchange sometimes gives excellent results. The black spots on the tongue are side effects of tablet Cyclophosphamide.

Kindly revert in case of further queries.

Thank you.

Patient's Query

Hi doctor,

Thank you for the reply.

I would like to ask if the black spots will stay on or grow bigger on the tongue while staying on Cyclophosphamide for several months? I understand that she has lung conditions because she has been coughing blood. The status of her lung has active bleeding. The plasma exchange treatment that she is given can help improve her lung condition, inflammation in the blood vessel or kidney and does it prevent her from relapse? I would also like to know, does bleeding in the lung always get treated by plasma exchange or in severe lung condition? And in what situation is kidney dialysis given before the plasma exchange? What difference does it make if it has not? Kindly help.

Answered by Dr. Rajesh Gulati

Hi,

Welcome back to icliniq.com.

I understand your concern. The black spots will persist till tablet Cyclophosphamide is going on. The plasma exchange is good for all organs, and it is not lung-specific. So, the overall condition can improve. The dialysis is always done early in most situations if no urine output or kidney function is very deranged. It removes all the waste from the body and has the best effects of plasma exchange or any other therapy in case.

I hope you understand.

Kindly revert in case of further queries.

Patient's Query

Thank you doctor for the reply,

Prior to the previous questions and as things move on with my mother's situation after she was diagnosed with GPA vasculitis, the organs involved were kidney and lung. I have a few more questions to ask. She has been given three plasma exchanges and regular kidney dialysis (with a gap of seven days of no dialysis). Last week, I was informed that my mother's kidney condition is 30 % damaged with 70 % fresh injuries. I would like to know why there is an increase of 10 % in kidney damage while she is on strong steroids to treat her kidney failure and had kidney dialysis 3 times a week while she is in hospital. Is it because her GPA vasculitis is not suppressed and still has an ongoing effect on the kidney? How long does a standard patient take to suppress the condition of GPA vasculitis?

Answered by Dr. Rajesh Gulati

Hi,

Welcome back to icliniq.com.

It is due to the ongoing effect of GPA vasculitis. Steroids are not always effective in curing the disease. Sometimes steroids can slow down the progression and sometimes even become ineffective. It is difficult to predict, how long the patient will take to suppress the disease. It’s all variable. Some respond immediately in a few days. Some take a few weeks and some do not respond at all. The patient needs to continue the same treatment till it is responding and hope for the best.

Patient's Query

Thank you doctor for the reply,

Would that mean the ongoing GPA vasculitis is still not under control? It will continue to damage more of her kidney for permanent damage even though she has been having kidney dialysis 3 times a week. Does kidney dialysis actually help her to recover her fresh injuries or just help to derange the toxic that builds up when it does not function? Would there be a possibility that her kidney would not even recover a small percentage like 30 % to 40 % at all under these circumstances? If yes, when we will recognize this situation? What is the longest period that she can stay on the steroids for this kind of treatment? Will there be a situation when GPA vasculitis never be suppressed? When her GPA vasculitis forms a relapse, will it damage her kidney or lung again as it has now?

Answered by Dr. Rajesh Gulati

Hi,

Welcome back to icliniq.com.

Many times, GPA vasculitis is not cured. It can be controlled with help of low-dose steroids. Steroids have their own side effects. But it needs to be given for a longer duration. If the disease is under control with the help of steroids, it can be given for years. The kidney may recover. But we cannot predict it. If in case of GPA vasculitis relapse occurs even on steroids, it can affect the lungs and kidney. Then the condition needs to be put on immunosuppressants. There are a lot of possibilities. The treating doctor should focus on the current situation and should plan accordingly.

Patient's Query

Thank you doctor for the reply,

This week I have queries on water retention on her legs. Though she had scheduled for 3 dialysis a week, each session varied from 2.5 to 4 hours. The doctors are saying that my mother is building too much fluid under her skin tissue due to not enough urine output in the ratio of intake of drinking water. They have been monitoring her for the last seven days. She was drinking 1.7 to 2 liters a day with urine output at under 600 ml. The everyday recording was very similar. They asked her to reduce her drinking to 500 ml to help her to detain the water retention to improve so she is fit enough to be discharged. Since she has been only drinking 500 ml a day, her urine output is below 200 ml. Is this normal? What is the average urine output for a healthy person (2 liters a day)? Do all kidney patients have similar conditions on collecting too much fluid at the start? Is it because her kidney function has declined since in hospital (10% increase) and is this symptoms of its cause? Previously I mentioned that there was a period where she was not given dialysis for 7 to 8 days, could that be the catalyst to her ongoing build-up of water retention underneath her tissue?

Answered by Dr. Rajesh Gulati

Hi,

Welcome back to icliniq.com.

Her water retention is due to decreased kidney output only. As her kidney function improves, her water retention decreases. With 500 ml of water intake, 200 ml of urine output is fine. The remaining fluid is removed by dialysis. Many kidney patients have zero urine output. In normal people, with 2000 ml of water intake, there should be at least 1500 ml of urine output. Many times dialysis frequency gets increased when the kidney function starts improving. This decision should be taken by the doctor only.

Patient's Query

Thank you doctor for the reply,

I have attached my reports. My mother was discharged before three months. She is recovering now. Previously, she underwent dialysis three times a week. It is reduced to twice a week since two months. Her doctor told that it will be reduced to once a week. Does this indicate recovery? Should she modify her diet? Currently, she is on low phosphate and low sodium diet. Her CT scan shows lung scarring. She was prescribed with tablet Co--trimoxazole. Will this affect GPA vasculitis? She has started a new treatment plan before recovering from MMF which lasted for three months. She has symptoms like breathlessness and bad breathe with ammonia taste for the past nine months. Should she be concerned? Provide me details about normal hemoglobin level, WBC, and platelet count. There was a variation in her sodium level. Her blood pressure is 76/46 mm Hg with the pulse rate of 124 beats per minute.

Answered by Dr. Rajesh Gulati

Hi,

Welcome back to icliniq.com.

Based on the reports attached (attachment removed to protect the patient's identity), frequency of dialysis is decided on kidney parameters observed every week. If her doctors are planning to reduce the frequency of dialysis, it indicates improvement. Her breathlessness could be due to her kidney, lung, or heart problem. Investigations are necessary. Ask her to consume more salt in diet. Hemoglobin level should be 18 g/dL and platelet should be 3 lakhs/cubic mm.

Patient's Query

Thank you doctor for the reply,

What are the other investigations to be carried out for her? Her report mentions hemoglobin level as 100 g/L. Please explain. How does a patient with vasculitis vary from a normal person? What is HGB, WBC, PLT ,URE, CRE (EGRE 11), NA, POT, BIC, CCA, PHOS, PTHI, ALB, BIL, AST, ALP, and GGT?

Answered by Dr. Rajesh Gulati

Hi,

Welcome back to icliniq.com.

I have mention hemoglobin level in gm/dL. Her report mentions in g/L. So 80 g/L is normal but she has 100 g/L, that is fine. A normal person has 138 g/L. Hb is hemoglobin, WBC is white blood cell count, and other terms indicate biochemistry values. She will have variation in these values due to her health issues and hence dialysis is done. Ask her to gargle with mouth wash thrice daily to overcome bad breath. Ask her to brush twice a day to maintain oral hygiene.

Same symptoms don't mean you have the same problem. Consult a doctor now!

Dr. Rajesh Gulati
Dr. Rajesh Gulati

Family Physician

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