Patient's Query
Hi doctor,
My partner was due to have a laparoscopy of an ovarian cyst today. However, she saw a pulmonologist yesterday morning because she tested positive for COVID-19 the previous day. The pulmonologist did some scans and found mild dilatation of the pulmonary cone.
He told her that she could no longer have the laparoscopy of the ovarian cyst because of this. And did not provide her with any alternatives. He said that her lungs would not be able to cope with the anesthesia.
Her other doctor, who was due to perform the laparoscopy, had previously said that the ovarian cyst was very bad and needed urgent removal.
Please could you review the two attached letters from the pulmonologist and the scan report?
She has no respiratory symptoms such as cough, chest pain, or breathing difficulty. We would like to know your thoughts on what the pulmonologist has said.
Please help.
Hi,
Welcome to icliniq.com.
I can understand your concern. According to your statement, your partner has been suffering from ovarian cyst pain for the last two to three weeks. Laparoscopic surgery of ovarian cyst was postponed due to her pulmonologist's findings of mild dilatation of the pulmonary cone on her HRCT of chest, according to your description. She was COVID-19 positive.
According to her, HRCT (high-resolution computed tomography) of the chest has revealed that baseline fibroatelectatic changes are bilateral. And a small pneumatocele in the right segments 6 and 8.
Well, atelectatic changes bilaterally have been found on her HRCT of the chest. Atelectasis is a complete or partial collapse of the area or lobe of the lung. It occurs when the tiny air sacs or alveoli within the lung become deflated or possibly filled with alveolar fluid.
Risk factors for atelectasis are anesthesia during the operation, mucus that plugs the airway, underlying lung diseases, and others. Atelectasis can be aggravated, which is the most common life-threatening breathing or respiratory complication after surgery.
Atelectasis is sometimes asymptomatic and shows no clinical features like cough, breathing difficulties, etc. It usually gets better with time or treatment. But if it is undiagnosed or untreated, and then serious complications may occur, like pneumonia, respiratory failure, and so on.
Again, a pneumatocele has been found in her lung. They are thin-walled, air-filled cysts or emphysematous lesions that develop on the lung. They may have resulted as a consequence of pneumonia, hematoma, lung injury, pulmonary trauma, or COPD (chronic obstructive lung disease).
According to your partner's HRCT of the chest, it is obvious that she needs treatment for her lung findings as well as rest. Any type of surgery may aggravate her asymptomatic atelectasis and pneumatocele and cause severe respiratory distress, respiratory failure.
For that reason, her pulmonologist has advised her not to undergo surgery.
I hope this helps.
Thank you.
Patient's Query
Hi doctor,
Thank you.
I have a few more questions-
Kindly suggest.
Hi,
Welcome back to icliniq.com.
Yes, her lung condition is treatable. Treating atelectasis depends on the underlying cause and how severe her symptoms are. If she has been suffering from a cough, she can take bronchodilators like Salbutamol with or without antibiotics like Azithromycin. Otherwise, no treatment is needed without chest physiotherapy or breathing exercises.
Breathing exercise may be performed using an incentive spirometer that forces her to breathe in deeply and help open up the alveoli, or blow the balloons with air. She can consult with a chest physiotherapist for physiotherapy that will help loosen and drain mucus. It is difficult to predict the duration of time when she will be fit for surgery.
It may take a few days to months, depending on the causes. An MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) chest or a bronchoscopy can be done to exclude the causes.
General anesthesia is a common cause of atelectasis. Nearly everyone who has major surgery develops some amount of atelectasis. If your partner is scheduled for surgery, talk to her doctor about strategies to reduce her risks. Certain breathing exercises and muscle training may lower the risk of atelectasis after surgery.
During induction of anesthesia, the application of PEEP of 6 cm H2O can prevent atelectasis and increase the margin of safety before intubation.
Again, epidural anesthesia causes no or little atelectasis and no change in shunting, ventilation/ perfusion ratio. As your partner has not presented signs and symptoms of atelectasis, discuss with her surgeon and anesthesiologist, along with her HRCT of the chest report. They will find a way to operate on her ovarian cyst.
They can also advise doing some more investigations, like pulmonary function test, ABG (arterial blood gas) analysis, oxygen saturation rate by a pulse oximeter, MRI chest, or bronchoscopy, etc. After examining the reports of these investigations, they will fix the probable date for the operation.
I hope this helps.
Thank you.
Patient's Query
Hi doctor,
Thank you very much for all of your help.
I have one more question, if I may please. Zorelys is also due to have an operation for an umbilical hernia at the same time as having the operation for the ovarian cyst.
The doctor has advised her that she will be in surgery for up to two hours.
Kindly give your findings and opinions, please.
Hi,
Welcome back to icliniq.com.
Yes, ovarian cyst and umbilical hernia can be operated on in the same operation. I have already mentioned that some investigations will be needed for assessing her present lung status, like pulmonary function test, ABG analysis, oxygen saturation rate, MRI of the Chest, or Bronchoscopy.
After assessing her current lung status, it can be finalized the possibility of operation. It will take two hours, and that is normal for two operations. Well, the decision of operation will depend on both the surgeon and the anesthesiologist, as I have mentioned earlier that u can consult with the surgeon and anesthesiologist with her radiological reports.
According to ur description, she has no symptoms of cough, shortness of breath, etc. Surgery may aggravate her atelectasis, which is the only problem.
Bronchodilators like Salbutamol, oral or injectable steroids may be used before her surgery if her pulmonologist or anesthesiologist wants, and after surgery, those medications, if needed, or breathing exercises can help her recovery.
Epidural anesthesia can be used during anesthesia if there is no contraindication. After assessing ur girlfriend, her pulmonologist advised what medications or measures should be taken to undergo an operation? It is his duty to advise or prescribe for his patients for their future betterment.
Since I have not examined your partner personally, my opinion may not be fully accepted. Still, I genuinely want to help you. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
I hope you find this helpful.
Thank you.
Patient's Query
Hello doctor,
Thank you very much, your help is greatly appreciated.
Her current Pulmonologist has stopped the operation and said that she could die if they were to operate on her because of her lung condition and the anesthetic. He has not advised any further.
He wants to carry out more tests on the lungs, but has said that it might be many months before they can do anything for her. He has simply said that he will not take the responsibility for permitting the operation, but has not provided us with alternatives or advice.
She is currently in great pain and is not eating very much at all. I am very worried about the prospect of waiting for many months. Her mood is very bad, and I am very worried about her state of mind and the potential for depression. She is very sad and upset.
In relation to the letter I referred to. I was wondering if you could write a short letter, simply detailing your advice as to how to proceed. For example, your opinion on the best way to move forward now, and having the operation with the spinal epidural anesthetic. Or precautions for the operation.
I would like to take your advice and findings and bring them to her pulmonologist. Do you think this would be possible? I really appreciate all of your help.
Thank you
Hello,
Welcome back to icliniq.com.
If your girlfriend has no symptoms at present, then how can her lung condition become critical at present? Her atelectasis was found accidentally on her radiological test. The ovarian cyst becomes larger and may rupture. A ruptured cyst can cause heavy bleeding or Infections that may become a life-threatening condition.
Then who will be responsible? Please, provide me with the email address of her pulmonologist. I will send her the pulmonologist's email regarding my opinion and ur patient's present sufferings.
Patient's Query
Hello doctor,
Thank you so much.
I appreciate your response. I will get it for you as soon as I possibly can. They might be closed today though; it might be tomorrow. But I will do it as quickly as I can.
Thank you again, you are a great person.
Patient's Query
Patient's Query
Hi doctor, I just wanted to give you a quick update. I collected our correspondence and translated it for my girlfriend to show her Pulmonologist, and she was goinf to ask for his email address also so that I could send it to you ( like you very kindly offered). And she got on very well with him. He listened to what you had said, and consulted with another colleague in his hospital and he agrees. He gave her some kind of medication for her lungs and referred her for physio. And now she is going to have the operation on Tuesday. I wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of your help, it was very much appreciated. I genuinely wrote this message to you solely to thank you, but now that I am writing, I would like to ask one final thing of you if I may. My girlfriend is still feeling quite sad and down about the whole thing. And she is not very inspired to do the breathing exercises. She does not understand how simple breathing exercises could help and she thinks it is just silly! Would you be able to give a brief description of why the breathing exercises are very beneficial for me to show her. How it helps to heal her lungs. She really appreciated all of your help also, and I think she would believe it if you were to say it to her. Thank you again.
hi, thank u for joining again. honestly I am waiting for your reply. waiting for the pulmonologist's Email address.because I have to keep my words. thank you so much to the almighty that the operation will be held on soon. thank you both u and ur girlfriend, because both of u r highly educated. both of u was able to understand my medical explanation as well as even convince the pulmonologist and the surgeon. hats off both of u for ur wisdoms and knowledge.it is almost impossible to convince a doctor to change his or her treatment plan. but both of u did it possible. I did nothing, just sharing my few knowledges with u. nothing else. Happy new year both of u,too.keep continuing ur love story. ok, let's go to the matter. well, she mayn't need to do any breathing exercise after surgery. but for her safety, as a precaution, she can try to do practice some breathing exercises.breathing exercise may be performed by using an incentive spirometer that force her to breathe in deeply and help to open up the alveoli. even she can practice to blow few balloons every day. such type of breathing exercises may help to expand her chest and improve her lung capacity as well as prevent the lungs from collapse or developing atelectasis. she can blow few balloons every day and I think that is enough for her. take care.happy new year,both of u again.let me know if I can assist you further.
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